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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2012/07/end-of-term-thoughts/#comment-20483</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Jul 2012 08:30:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s a fair comment Rebecca.

As I&#039;m sure you know with your enormous expertise about forums, the usual sign of &quot;socks&quot; occurs when someone is losing an argument or has a point of view they strongly wish to push which is not considered valuable by other posters, or wants to provide multiple complainants against another poster.

Then posters appear out of nowhere, never having posted before, posting in support of that poster&#039;s views, usually having recently signed up (some boards show you this information). The posters then often never post again on any other subject.

I&#039;ve seen this a couple of times on other forums (there was one funny one on the TES board !) but obviously that wouldn&#039;t happen here. 

It&#039;s usually obvious (the poster has nothing else to say so just parrots the views the original poster has) and sometimes quite funny.  Socks usually aren&#039;t smart enough to write in a different style. 

I&#039;m sure &quot;L Turvey&quot; whoever he or she is (I looked but Turvey is quite an unusual name) as she finds the discussions so interesting and is so concerned about bullying and debate will find the time to regularly post on other topics in his or her own unique style.

Those of us with grey hairs (or in my case, hair) will remember Rik Mayall&#039;s first TV performance (I think) as a &quot;comic leftie&quot; - a precursor of Rik in the &quot;Young Ones&quot; called &quot;Kevin Turvey&quot; giving incoherent monologues repeating all kinds of wierd ideas. I&#039;m sure &quot;L&quot; will do better 

What&#039;s your first name L by the way ? Can&#039;t call you &quot;L&quot; can we :-)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s a fair comment Rebecca.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;m sure you know with your enormous expertise about forums, the usual sign of &#8220;socks&#8221; occurs when someone is losing an argument or has a point of view they strongly wish to push which is not considered valuable by other posters, or wants to provide multiple complainants against another poster.</p>
<p>Then posters appear out of nowhere, never having posted before, posting in support of that poster&#8217;s views, usually having recently signed up (some boards show you this information). The posters then often never post again on any other subject.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve seen this a couple of times on other forums (there was one funny one on the TES board !) but obviously that wouldn&#8217;t happen here. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s usually obvious (the poster has nothing else to say so just parrots the views the original poster has) and sometimes quite funny.  Socks usually aren&#8217;t smart enough to write in a different style. </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure &#8220;L Turvey&#8221; whoever he or she is (I looked but Turvey is quite an unusual name) as she finds the discussions so interesting and is so concerned about bullying and debate will find the time to regularly post on other topics in his or her own unique style.</p>
<p>Those of us with grey hairs (or in my case, hair) will remember Rik Mayall&#8217;s first TV performance (I think) as a &#8220;comic leftie&#8221; &#8211; a precursor of Rik in the &#8220;Young Ones&#8221; called &#8220;Kevin Turvey&#8221; giving incoherent monologues repeating all kinds of wierd ideas. I&#8217;m sure &#8220;L&#8221; will do better </p>
<p>What&#8217;s your first name L by the way ? Can&#8217;t call you &#8220;L&#8221; can we <img src='http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Rebecca Hanson</title>
		<link>http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2012/07/end-of-term-thoughts/#comment-20352</link>
		<dc:creator>Rebecca Hanson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 15:33:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t think that&#039;s going on here Ricky - L Turvey looks like a genuine contributor to me.  I&#039;ve never used socks on any forum and it&#039;s not common on this one.  It&#039;s pretty easy to spot especially when posters write about their personal views and experiences in quite a lot of detail as tends to happen here.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t think that&#8217;s going on here Ricky &#8211; L Turvey looks like a genuine contributor to me.  I&#8217;ve never used socks on any forum and it&#8217;s not common on this one.  It&#8217;s pretty easy to spot especially when posters write about their personal views and experiences in quite a lot of detail as tends to happen here.</p>
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		<title>By: Ricky Tarr</title>
		<link>http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2012/07/end-of-term-thoughts/#comment-20338</link>
		<dc:creator>Ricky Tarr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Jul 2012 13:42:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Any suspect in mind?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any suspect in mind?</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2012/07/end-of-term-thoughts/#comment-20096</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:55:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Mind you &quot;L Turvey&quot; is probably another posters sock puppet........ (sock puppetry is where someone posts supporting themselves pretending to be someone else - the name comes from an argument with an astrologer originally)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mind you &#8220;L Turvey&#8221; is probably another posters sock puppet&#8230;&#8230;.. (sock puppetry is where someone posts supporting themselves pretending to be someone else &#8211; the name comes from an argument with an astrologer originally)</p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2012/07/end-of-term-thoughts/#comment-20094</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:48:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it quite fascinating - the LSN is often portrayed as &quot;a bunch of witless left wing idealists with no grasp of reality&quot; by some but even though I am a Tory I find most of the views here well considered. 

Maybe I&#039;m reading the wrong threads :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it quite fascinating &#8211; the LSN is often portrayed as &#8220;a bunch of witless left wing idealists with no grasp of reality&#8221; by some but even though I am a Tory I find most of the views here well considered. </p>
<p>Maybe I&#8217;m reading the wrong threads <img src='http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Paul</title>
		<link>http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2012/07/end-of-term-thoughts/#comment-20093</link>
		<dc:creator>Paul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:46:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Sarah has a point. Many private schools are struggling - some round here have merged. Some parents have decamped to our local state boarding school which you can get into as a boarder for what a day education normally costs (about £10k).

If the school cannot continue to operate due to lack of funds then perhaps it could be closed and reopened as a Free School. 

However, no, the pupils education should not be continued. What the process does otherwise is divert public money to private education.

I have no problem with independent education and have used it for my own children but it should not receive government funding directly or indirectly (though it is often quoted, the actual tax benefits of charitable status are exaggerated)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sarah has a point. Many private schools are struggling &#8211; some round here have merged. Some parents have decamped to our local state boarding school which you can get into as a boarder for what a day education normally costs (about £10k).</p>
<p>If the school cannot continue to operate due to lack of funds then perhaps it could be closed and reopened as a Free School. </p>
<p>However, no, the pupils education should not be continued. What the process does otherwise is divert public money to private education.</p>
<p>I have no problem with independent education and have used it for my own children but it should not receive government funding directly or indirectly (though it is often quoted, the actual tax benefits of charitable status are exaggerated)</p>
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		<title>By: Janet Downs</title>
		<link>http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2012/07/end-of-term-thoughts/#comment-20091</link>
		<dc:creator>Janet Downs</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 11:11:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[L Turvey - thanks for your comment and I&#039;m pleased you find the site a valuable resource.  The site is lightly moderated to allow free debate.  Unfortunately, as you say, some posters take advantage of this to mount attcks on other posters.  This is probably done to dissuade posters from commenting.

Sometimes the citing of previous threads, which is something I often do, is to avoid repeating points previously made and to expand on points made within a post without making the post too long.  Unfortunately, again, some posters refer back to posts under a thread or even to posts made on other forums.  If the latter is spotted, it is usually removed.  

You are right to say the issues discussed here are extremely important and the points of view expressed are a useful antidote to the rhetoric and misinformation coming from the Deparment for Education.  Please keep coming back to add your voice.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>L Turvey &#8211; thanks for your comment and I&#8217;m pleased you find the site a valuable resource.  The site is lightly moderated to allow free debate.  Unfortunately, as you say, some posters take advantage of this to mount attcks on other posters.  This is probably done to dissuade posters from commenting.</p>
<p>Sometimes the citing of previous threads, which is something I often do, is to avoid repeating points previously made and to expand on points made within a post without making the post too long.  Unfortunately, again, some posters refer back to posts under a thread or even to posts made on other forums.  If the latter is spotted, it is usually removed.  </p>
<p>You are right to say the issues discussed here are extremely important and the points of view expressed are a useful antidote to the rhetoric and misinformation coming from the Deparment for Education.  Please keep coming back to add your voice.</p>
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		<title>By: L Turvey</title>
		<link>http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2012/07/end-of-term-thoughts/#comment-20080</link>
		<dc:creator>L Turvey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jul 2012 09:58:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am new to this site. I am finding it a hugely important resource. These issues being discussed are extremely important.

However I am suprised and dismayed at how intelligent and informed people resort to undermining eachother, citing previous posts and turn valuable debate into personal attacks. This needs to be moderated and anyone posting a personal comment should have that comment removed. 

This is imperative if we aim to foster open, live debate and protect the space from bullying approches to making a point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am new to this site. I am finding it a hugely important resource. These issues being discussed are extremely important.</p>
<p>However I am suprised and dismayed at how intelligent and informed people resort to undermining eachother, citing previous posts and turn valuable debate into personal attacks. This needs to be moderated and anyone posting a personal comment should have that comment removed. </p>
<p>This is imperative if we aim to foster open, live debate and protect the space from bullying approches to making a point.</p>
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		<title>By: Botzarelli</title>
		<link>http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2012/07/end-of-term-thoughts/#comment-19818</link>
		<dc:creator>Botzarelli</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Jul 2012 14:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Surely by the definition of comprehensive school used there are no comprehensive schools at all in the country? Any &quot;comprehensive&quot; which has within its catchment area children of the right age to attend but who are at selective schools, whether state grammar or independent (or even those which select on the basis of faith) is not comprehensive because it has an intake skewed by the competition with such schools. 

Rather than fixate on the terminology so as to rename comprehensives in Kent as secondary moderns why not just focus on whether those schools are good and whether they can be improved? By all means retain your belief that they would be improved further by having a greater proportion of the highest attaining 11 year olds (and that the outcomes for all including those currently at the grammars would be improved by selection going completely) but why the interest in a pejorative use of secondary modern as a term for such schools? Or, the corollary of co-opting a type of school which goes against the grain of this site by being an Academy and calling it Mossbourne Comprehensive? Will you be calling WLFS West London Comprehensive too? 

There&#039;s something sinister in this Lewis Carroll use of words to mean what you want them to mean rather than looking at the substance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Surely by the definition of comprehensive school used there are no comprehensive schools at all in the country? Any &#8220;comprehensive&#8221; which has within its catchment area children of the right age to attend but who are at selective schools, whether state grammar or independent (or even those which select on the basis of faith) is not comprehensive because it has an intake skewed by the competition with such schools. </p>
<p>Rather than fixate on the terminology so as to rename comprehensives in Kent as secondary moderns why not just focus on whether those schools are good and whether they can be improved? By all means retain your belief that they would be improved further by having a greater proportion of the highest attaining 11 year olds (and that the outcomes for all including those currently at the grammars would be improved by selection going completely) but why the interest in a pejorative use of secondary modern as a term for such schools? Or, the corollary of co-opting a type of school which goes against the grain of this site by being an Academy and calling it Mossbourne Comprehensive? Will you be calling WLFS West London Comprehensive too? </p>
<p>There&#8217;s something sinister in this Lewis Carroll use of words to mean what you want them to mean rather than looking at the substance.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen Howell</title>
		<link>http://www.localschoolsnetwork.org.uk/2012/07/end-of-term-thoughts/#comment-19640</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen Howell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Jul 2012 17:25:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Why is it not possible to have an excellent successful , but organised system of education for all children, when there are so many examples of educational excellence that we are able draw from? 
Seems to be TMI in these posts particularly on FSM .
Has anyone looked at the thread in Mellisa&#039;s post  on social mobility?.Also Chris Cook in his article On New Grammar Schools  Ref.   ft.com ?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why is it not possible to have an excellent successful , but organised system of education for all children, when there are so many examples of educational excellence that we are able draw from?<br />
Seems to be TMI in these posts particularly on FSM .<br />
Has anyone looked at the thread in Mellisa&#8217;s post  on social mobility?.Also Chris Cook in his article On New Grammar Schools  Ref.   ft.com ?</p>
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